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Ignition coils wired improperly? One cylinder not firing

Started by Sterminare, Oct 03, 2024, 12:56 PM

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draser

For valves and seats sealing surfaces I'd just do a quick lapping by hand, not much needed as we know the 3 cylinders were already good. No reason to brush on that side of valves.

Sterminare

All the valve/sets are out now. I did find one more spring that had a pretty significant rust spot on it, I wiped off the rust and found a pretty nasty looking crater: https://imgur.com/a/5KhOw27 so I wonder how much longer this one would've lasted before shearing

Took some pictures of the cylinder bores. Theres some minor vertical streaks that I cant catch with my fingernail. Its tough to see but I think I do see horizontal/cross hatching. https://imgur.com/a/e6x8RKU

I ended up cleaning the valve seats with carb cleaner and *plastic* brush wheel in my dremel, that got maybe 80% of the carbon off, then I picked off the rest very carefully with an aluminum pick that didn't leave scratches on the valveseat. They turned out pretty good. Valves and seats are looking quite clean I just have to scrub the pistons still.
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

Pete in PA

#92
That cylinder wear looks like more than 5k miles to me.🤷  But Ive never done one at 5k miles.

You can do one more check before reassembly.
You can check the big end rod bearings by rotating the engine so the piston is going down then tap on the piston top with a wood rod. No movement allowed.
92 Honda 750 Nighthawk
Previously: 250 Nighthawk, FJ-09, ST1300, FZ-07, CBR1100XX, V65 Sabre, 83 650 Nighthawk.  Two XR650L's, KLX650C.

mollusc

Agreed.  I call BS on that being a 5k mile engine, unless it was run without oil.
2015 Triumph Tiger Explorer ABS
1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S
2012 Honda NC700X
2005 Vespa GT200
1982 Yamaha Maxim 550 (sold)
2006 BMW R850R (sold)
1981 Honda CX500B (sold)

draser

Can you post a pic of a valve sealing surface and a seat, closeup?

Sterminare

Quote from: draser on Oct 13, 2024, 06:53 AMCan you post a pic of a valve sealing surface and a seat, closeup?

https://imgur.com/a/xEnaABG

Here are some closeups of the valve seats and an intake/exhaust pair

Just occupying myself while waiting for parts coming Wednesday. Painting the head, valve cover, other misc parts around the bike
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

draser

Yeah.. seats look good, some are very narrow (2mm??) looks like you have a good head. Given the low carbon deposits, seat/valve condition and the 175psi compression (hope you can replicate upon reassembly) I'd say you have a good head with a lot of life left.
Theoretically, if you'd use a black marker to black out the valve sealing surface, then insert the valve and spin several times pushing against the seat, if the mark left on the valve is about center on the valve sealing surface that's how the engine left factory. Or you'd see that after a short lapping.
As the seat wears out, the valves sink into the seat and the sealing "ring" on the valve moves towards the top and the seat width grows. That's how you tell an old head.

Sterminare

I was debating valve lapping, I was thinking they looked decent enough and made good compression and was worried about making it worse rather than better. But particularly the exhaust valves looked a little worse for wear, so I gave all the valves a light grind. They all look nice and wide I think. https://imgur.com/a/E0PeDSk

Cleaned everything thoroughly. Ruined my fresh paint job in the process, guess it wasn't fully cured even after 2 days.. oops. I'm more interested in getting it running well than looking good at the moment so that's something I'll fix another time.

Head is reinstalled on the bike, new head gasket and orings/crush washers everywhere as I go. Hoping to be able to at least check compression tomorrow if not get to fire it up.
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

Pete in PA

92 Honda 750 Nighthawk
Previously: 250 Nighthawk, FJ-09, ST1300, FZ-07, CBR1100XX, V65 Sabre, 83 650 Nighthawk.  Two XR650L's, KLX650C.

Sterminare

https://imgur.com/a/mEQLZMZ

Engine is complete! Best part: no more orange silicone everywhere (just don't look at the clutch cover, or the oil pan, or...)

When I opened up the valve cover I noticed the exhaust cam was advanced a tooth or 2. I made very sure that I have it timed correctly now. I hope I did it right and I hope I bled the tappets right. Everything went pretty smooth considering I've never done anything like this before...

Engine makes "engine noises" i.e. compression while turning over by hand during timing process. So that's a good sign.

Tomorrow morning I'll do a compression test and see what happens. Fingers crossed if it's good,  I'll hang the exhaust, replace the oil cooler, fill the oil back up and fire it up.
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

Pete in PA

Doing this outside, wow.  Deffinately on a time constraint.
Where are you located?
92 Honda 750 Nighthawk
Previously: 250 Nighthawk, FJ-09, ST1300, FZ-07, CBR1100XX, V65 Sabre, 83 650 Nighthawk.  Two XR650L's, KLX650C.

mollusc

His profile says Long Island, NY.
It's been cold for the past few days, but working outside is still possible.  Going to be warm again for at least the next week so fingers crossed that there will be plenty of time to get this project back on the road!
I've worked on mine outside well into January and I'm in NYC.
2015 Triumph Tiger Explorer ABS
1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S
2012 Honda NC700X
2005 Vespa GT200
1982 Yamaha Maxim 550 (sold)
2006 BMW R850R (sold)
1981 Honda CX500B (sold)

Sterminare

Yep mornings are getting pretty cold but once the sun is up it's perfectly tolerable

The bigger problem are these freakin squirrels. I'm under an oak tree and they are constantly dropping half eaten acorns straight onto my head, onto the bike.. thankfully none have ended up in the crankcase (that I noticed, anyway). You can see the acorn fragments all over the ground lol

Yea I'm hoping the bike is running this weekend so I can go out while it's above 70, fingers crossed

The bike is together, I'm trying to get it started now, I think/hope I may have fouled the plugs since I left them in this whole time thru carbon cleaning and solvent testing and whatnot.
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

Sterminare

Nevermind, I had the vacuum line on the wrong spigot on the petcock

https://youtu.be/M2TBiTZf9vA?si=Hs0C4mRGkYhkPpMN

She's running! Best part: I burnt my finger on cylinder 2 exhaust header  ;D  ;D
1984 Nighthawk CB650SC

mollusc

Well done!  Do you notice a difference in the sound from before?  Because presumably you've never actually heard it running on all four cylinders.
2015 Triumph Tiger Explorer ABS
1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S
2012 Honda NC700X
2005 Vespa GT200
1982 Yamaha Maxim 550 (sold)
2006 BMW R850R (sold)
1981 Honda CX500B (sold)