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Started by Gene, Dec 18, 2023, 08:31 PM

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Gene

 From what I understand, most if not all 83-85 4-cylinder Nighthawks have shaft drive. I have a 85 650sc NH, and after reading several period magazine reviews, it should exhibit some jacking of the swingarm. I haven't noticed any.

Happy Holidays/Christmas to those it applies to.
1985 Honda CB 650sc with 17, 500

Bob H

#1
Quote from: Gene on Dec 18, 2023, 08:31 PM...jacking of the swingarm, I haven't noticed any.
Some shaft drives are worse than others.
I had a 1982 Yamaha Seca 750 with a shaft that would lift the rear of the bike when accelerate, then fall when let off throttle. Otherwise it was a great bike.

Quote from: Gene on Dec 18, 2023, 08:31 PM... after reading several period magazine reviews, it should exhibit some jacking of the swingarm,
The Magazine writers have to think of something to say. I have seen some pretty odd articles over the years.
1993 Nighthawk 750

Pete in PA

A longer shaft produces less jacking. The shaft is very long on the 650 NH.😁🤷
92 Honda 750 Nighthawk
Previously: 250 Nighthawk, FJ-09, ST1300, FZ-07, CBR1100XX, V65 Sabre, 83 650 Nighthawk.  Two XR650L's, KLX650C.

mollusc

Not all were shaft, but the North American ones were.  The Horizon (CBX 750) is chain drive.
2015 Triumph Tiger Explorer ABS
1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S
2012 Honda NC700X
2005 Vespa GT200
1982 Yamaha Maxim 550 (sold)
2006 BMW R850R (sold)
1981 Honda CX500B (sold)

Pete in PA

"I was good this year and still got the shaft!"
92 Honda 750 Nighthawk
Previously: 250 Nighthawk, FJ-09, ST1300, FZ-07, CBR1100XX, V65 Sabre, 83 650 Nighthawk.  Two XR650L's, KLX650C.

Larry Fine

#5
The first 550SC and 650SC Nighthawks were SOHC, 5-speeds, and chain drive.

The DOHC engines had 6-speeds and shaft drive, except for the '72-73 750SC.

By the way, in case you were wondering, the SC stood for Sport Custom.
'72 CL450
'73 CB750
'82 CB750SC

'96 CB750ST
'01 ST1100
'96 ST1100
'07 ST1300

mollusc

The SOHC bikes were all before 1983.

Getting back to the original topic, I also never really noticed any jacking from the driveshaft on my 700S.
2015 Triumph Tiger Explorer ABS
1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S
2012 Honda NC700X
2005 Vespa GT200
1982 Yamaha Maxim 550 (sold)
2006 BMW R850R (sold)
1981 Honda CX500B (sold)

timberwolfe

How would you recognize jacking? I never felt anything unusual on my NH.

Larry Fine

#8
Quote from: timberwolfe on Dec 19, 2023, 03:51 PMHow would you recognize jacking?
You would feel the seat rise slightly when you accelerate hard.

It's caused by the pinion gear trying to raise the swing-arm pivot upward in its attempt to push the front of the ring gear downward.

It's  the same force that makes the front of the differential rise in a car.
'72 CL450
'73 CB750
'82 CB750SC

'96 CB750ST
'01 ST1100
'96 ST1100
'07 ST1300

timberwolfe

OK, I believe in jacking, but it's messing with my brain. Next time I ride, I'll accelerate hard and see if I can tell anything.

Larry Fine

Quote from: Larry Fine on Dec 19, 2023, 05:31 PMIt's caused by the pinion gear trying to raise the swing-arm pivot upward in its attempt to push the front of the ring gear downward.
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that it's caused by the swing-arm pivot resisting the rise caused by the pinion gear trying to walk up the ring gear.
'72 CL450
'73 CB750
'82 CB750SC

'96 CB750ST
'01 ST1100
'96 ST1100
'07 ST1300